Diesel Fuel Prices

[Engine65]

Here in midwestern ohio i have seen prices anywhere from $4.04 to $4.19 a gallon. :mad: when is this going to stop rising. im thinking about going bio, but i shouldnt have to. diesel is the stuff they scrap off the bottom of the tanks when they make all fuels. whats the deal. :confused:

[Oldsmoke]

Traditionally diesel fuel was always cheaper than gas so why is it now the other way around? I assume it is because diesel is the fuel of commerce but gasoline use is at least partially discretionary..... or is that just the line we are being fed?

As a farmer I can't complain because it is the high fuel prices that have resulted in the biuldup of the biofuel industry which has been great for crop prices.

[John R]

Traditionally diesel fuel was always cheaper than gas so why is it now the other way around? I assume it is because diesel is the fuel of commerce but gasoline use is at least partially discretionary..... or is that just the line we are being fed?

As a farmer I can't complain because it is the high fuel prices that have resulted in the biuldup of the biofuel industry which has been great for crop prices.

Hey old smoke,where in Manitoba are you from?AS for diesel Prices,Just another money maker.More poeple are looking for cheaper ways to get around so they went to a diesel motor.Now that more people have changed to diesel for both fuel economy and power,they figure hey what the heck why not change the price of that to!You may think that you will save money by changing over to bio Fuels? Think again, it wont be long they will change the price of that to! Its all about ( CONTROL ) And ( MONEY ) The prices of some grains they use for fuels now a days should already gives you a good clue as what is to happen with the price of biofuel in the future. The price of these grains back in the 80's or so was a joke! it's only now that hey have come up with these fuels and using them, that prices have really changed for the better for farmers! And yes the price of diesel used to be a fair bit cheaper than gas,it was and still is a cheaper form of fuel,cheaper as in less cost to refine it.Only difference now is the cost at the pump ! Some one's filling their pocket book alright,and its not us.

[Oldsmoke]

I'm about a half hour drive North of Winnipeg here John. Where in our wonderful province do you park your truck?

If the price of diesel gets any worse I can always just set up a canola crusher in the back yard and make my own fuel :cool: All conspiracy theories aside tho, it is a free capitalist country with oceans of capital sloshing around. All you need to do is ride with the tide.

[John R]

I'm about a half hour drive North of Winnipeg here John. Where in our wonderful province do you park your truck?

If the price of diesel gets any worse I can always just set up a canola crusher in the back yard and make my own fuel :cool: All conspiracy theories aside tho, it is a free capitalist country with oceans of capital sloshing around. All you need to do is ride with the tide. Heck i make my own parking lot! it's called (move it or loose it) !:D Hey old smoke are you up near Birds hill Park? I go camping there sometimes but i didn't make it there this past summer because i was out working in Alberta building cottages in some resorts.

[JD_countryboy]

Yeah but at the rate they want these renewable fuels, they will have to drop the govt setaside program and make them all tillable. Look at the exports of grain, the grain we use/need, and whats produced. THe huge stockpiles we once had, that kept batting prices down are all but gone. Now the fertilizers that are spread on the field. Guess what. those prices are driven buy fuel prices. cause of the amount of energy that it takes to produce the fertilizer, and ship it. I'm afraid bio fuels are gonna decline cause of too high grain price. All the high prices for fuel, food, grain, and so on and so forth will come crashing down i'm afraid. That is with the economy. Hang On tight, the bottoms a long ride down. I believe fully in becoming self suficant. If i can make biofuel, or get wvo i will be switching here shortly. If only i can get a farmer or two on the wagon and start producing our own fuel. Byproduct of making grain into oil, an extremly high protein content animal feed. Now the byproduct from making oil, is a good feed. Now were talking. THey can still use the grain as the feed they were gonna feed to their cattle. But we can get the oil out first and burn it.

[grancito]

Live in Mexico,a realistic $2 per gallon but there are other draw backs!!!!!

[JD_countryboy]

thats an idea. can you cross the border haulin fuel? Way to far a drive for that to pay in my case.

[grancito]

When I'm in California and near the border, I go into Mexico to fill up, 42 gallons, so it lasts a while. Anyone living near the boarder could have an extra tank in the bed and take back a load. I'm talking about a load of diesel!!!!

[JD_countryboy]

thats one great way to do it. Gotta beat the system somehow.

[grancito]

Yea, and if you get a load in Mexico and it is not diesel, it is cheaper to return to Mexico to get rid of it, so the bargain is really good.

[Bentt]

Northern Ontario price per litre of fuel $1.26 or for our members South thats $5.67 a Canadian gallon ! Fuel cost are now definetly affecting the bottom line running a business. After reading for weeks other than a global fuel shortage especially in Asia I have no idea why fuel prices have escalated to this extreme . Diesel fuel is not imported its refined nationally and in the case of Ontario its refined regionally . Home heating fuel has not increased near as much. The other glimpse of high cost was the Ultra low sulpher refining process which is now seemingly being blamed for this huge price increase. If this tread continues and forcasts for fuel at $1.60 to $1.70 a litre or $7.65 a gallon is going to dramatically affect the economic health of North America . Thats a $200 fill up. I quess oranges from Florida will be off the shopping list.

[Oldsmoke]

I hear you Bentt. I was surfing the web for info on electric vehicles today. There are a few manufacturers of these vehicles now for personal inner city and short commuter travel but it is not going to solve all our problems any time soon. I will hang onto my old 6.5 for the time being even tho a gas truck will almost run as cheap with the cheaper gas these days.

Life has been going on in Canada here for some time now with $4/gal. but I have noticed a lot fewer SUVs and vans and more smaller cars. People are cutting back on their driving and that could be the reason gas is so much cheaper than diesel now. Probably be few motor homes and RVs on the road this summer but that will be good for the hotels. Less travel means people will shop locally and smaller towns will benefit.

We farmers once thought that high fuel prices would be the end of us but it has had a beneficial effect on grain prices so keep the chin up folks and don't panic and sell yourself short.

[JD_countryboy]

Your right oldsmoke. What goes up, must come down. what goes down will come up. As it has for generations before us, the economy will go up and down. Its just the fact that we are staring at the falling economy and not knowing the future. I'm am sure after a fall it will again pick up, how soon or what happens in between is anyones guess. One things for sure, if you are totally dependant on others, you will have a rougher time. I make groceries, so why not expand to fuel? I'd flat love to quit buying fuel from the pump if i could. Money i'd save on fuel sure would help pay for other fun.

[625fireman]

The one 'oil company guy' I was talking to told me the reason it has gone way up is the change over to ULSD. But i think thats BS how long do we have to bend over for OPEC? The change over has been long enough to get back the 'extra' cost. I am going bio from wvo as soon as I get my still built, should be in 2 weeks. Tough to save money to built paying these high prices in mean time.

[edzzed]

how long do we have to bend over for OPEC?

we don't have to bend over for OPEC, simple solution is INVASION. take it from them. problem solved. the better solution would be to invent a new cleaner source of fuel and charge them and arm and two legs for it. Ed

[JD_countryboy]

he who controls the oil, controls the price. If we came up with a great source of dependabel renewable fuel and didn't have to buy foreign oil, Oil prices would drop well below what we could produce our oun fuel for, and the price war would beging till one or the other got run outta town. One would either but the other or they would merge, and up goes the price. We are always gonna be at the mercy of others for fuel, unless we come up with a way to make it privatly ourselves.

[sootjunkie65]

$4.29 per gallon in woodstock!! Good thing I get 21 MPG

[Sundance]

The diesel issue is global. The global demand for it is at
an all time high and growing daily as China and other 3rd
world countries industrialize. Couple that with the fact that
diesel output from a barrel of oil is only 7 to 8 gallons and
19 to 20 gallons of gas.

Whats that spell???????????? Short Supply forever!!

[torque454]

The rise in diesel price effects you farmers too. Sure you make more money from the crops but it also costs you more in diesel since your tractors use diesel as well. Maybe the increase in crop profit exceeds the rise in cost of the diesel.... or does it? Id be interested in knowing. Anyways...the price of diesel is out of control. Never thought i'd be HAPPY to pay $3 for gasoline for my lawn mower, power washer, gas cars, etc.

[Oldsmoke]

Grain prices have more than doubled over the time the fuel prices have cllimbed closer to 50% so we are still getting pretty good bang for the buck as long as grain prices stay up. Farmers are doing very well right now.

Biofuel production has been very beneficial to grain prices as it consumes a lot of corn. Hey, if the Arabs are going to screw us on the price of oil why should we give our corn away? Only problem is that the corn price is getting up where the ethanol producers can't afford it anymore unless the price of gas goes higher. Consumers can't afford a higher gas price. What is the solution?

[Oldsmoke]

Is it better to eat or to drive?

[Sundance]

The long term solution.............. Smaller vehicles that are electric
powered. Here's a cool one!! It'll do 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and get
135 mpg doing it!!

http://www.teslamotors.com/

Then there's the air powered car that runs on compressed air. It's
amazing.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4217016.html

And my personal favorite.................. Just simply cool.


http://www.aptera.com/


On a serious note I am selling the dually this spring to buy a Prius.
Sad to see it go after a new engine and all the sweet accesories.
But just can't justify the flatbed and the dually.

[Oldsmoke]

These alternatively powered vehicles are all viable solutions. If the fuel prices get any higher we'll be seeing them on the roads soon.

It sure takes the joy out of joyriding.:(

[jifaire]

Hey, if the Arabs are going to screw us on the price of oil why should we give our corn away?

What makes you think the price of oil has anything to do with the price of diesel fuel or gas?

If pump prices were determined by wellhead prices, then when oil went up, so would fuel. The relationship would be linear, maybe even slightly less than 1:1 if the oil companies decided to take flat profits off of the sales.

What we're seeing here is a market in which wellhead prices have indeed risen, but not by the % amount that fuel prices have. Consumption is down, as people drive less and try to conserve. Profits are skyrocketing - in most cases, the highest ratio profit the oil companies have ever recorded - and diesel fuel costs more than gas, which is not supported by refinery prices.

The oil companies just love Al Gore... in an 'oh-my-god-the-sky-is-falling world, nobody wants to yell for cheaper fuel at the pump, so we quietly pay and the oil execs giggle all the way to the offshore banks.

My diesel hasn't burned a tank in the last 6 months, and won't, until I need to haul my trailer. I bought a Honda - combined monthly purchase and fuel cost is lower than the fuel I was buying before.

Not only are the oil companies gonna squeeze every last nickle out of us, they're gonna wreck the car market, too.

[Chevylover]

... My diesel hasn't burned a tank in the last 6 months, and won't, until I need to haul my trailer. I bought a Honda - combined monthly purchase and fuel cost is lower than the fuel I was buying before. ...


So did I too, but mine is a VW Golf. Bought the car with 195.000 kms on it for "small" money and the monthly cost for fuel, taxes and insurance is much below than for the trucks diesel fuel cost per month.

AND it is MORE REAL fun, whenever I drive the truck again.


Cu,
Sven

[Oldsmoke]

Yah, I drive a Pontiac Vibe these days. Its' boring but when I do get behind the wheel of my truck I feel like a king.

Problem is OPEC is keeping the supply so close to the consumption that it is a simple matter for speculators (whoever they are) on the oil futures markets to control whatever small surplus there is.

Maybe it is time to invest in companies manufacturing electric vehicles?

[jifaire]

... and start looking out for us!

The Big Oil companies are raking in record profits... in most cases, entire orders of magnitude greater profits than they have ever seen.

If the price of oil was squeezing them, if OPEC was the issue, then the profit margins wouldn't be any greater than before.

By cutting back on refined output strategically, they are artificially manipulating the financial markets; they're the only ones that can afford to do so on such a large scale. Watch what happens next time there is a bump in OPEC output... prices will rise, not fall. Shortly thereafter, we'll see a refinery shut down somewhere for 'necessary maintenance' until the market bulge stabilizes.

Supply and demand, my arse.

[torque454]

The long term solution.............. Smaller vehicles that are electric
powered. Here's a cool one!! It'll do 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and get
135 mpg doing it!!

http://www.teslamotors.com/

Then there's the air powered car that runs on compressed air. It's
amazing.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4217016.html

And my personal favorite.................. Just simply cool.


http://www.aptera.com/


On a serious note I am selling the dually this spring to buy a Prius.
Sad to see it go after a new engine and all the sweet accesories.
But just can't justify the flatbed and the dually.

Not to hijack the thread or change the subject but if you are going to sell the dually why not transfer its mods and stuff to the flatbed since its a 95 also?? :)

[Sundance]

No problem with the hijack.

I am going to sell it modified in hopes of finding that special
person who appreciates a new long block and all the goodies.

I'll be listing it for $9950 firm. If no takers.......... then she stays
mine.

[Shlep]

Well I pull up to my favorite fueling stop a week ago, just as they "adjust" the price on the pump to 1.29L (5.86gal) and I'm thinking ...great just what I don't need, so I filler up with some of Sunoco's finest to the tune of 140bucks from just under the 1/4 mark. Cursing under my breath while the kid swipes the dear old Mastercard I start thinking about maybe it's time to think about a second car, something a little more economical. So then I climb back into the ole dually and fire her up and head out down the road to the dealership I work at and take a look at the latest and greatest offerings by the automakers, after about an hour of looking at the fuel milage ratings on the various eco-boxes and running the numbers through my mind I came to the conclusion that no matter what you decide on it's still not going to justify the expense of buying another heap of foreign made jusk. I can average about 850kms (500miles) per tank of fuel with my 99 dually, and I'm happy driving it as a daily driver.

So to sum it all up, I feel better, and I am happy with my truck so why add another payment that I'm sure none of us need or want, I can still put the kids in the back thanks to the extended cab and haul everything I need to go fishing,camping or what ever I need to do at the time.

Sorry about the long winded post but before you run out a buy something you don't want or aren't going to be happy with, you might want to give it some serious number crunching to determine just how long it'll take to break even before you actually start saving money.

[grancito]

Well sorry to hear your bad fuel prices up there,, but they will improve in time, and the diesel truck does not consume as much as a gas one. Still $2 per gallon in Mexico, come and fuel up here.

[Sundance]

You're driving a 99' truck........ why make payments??

I picked up a 98' Ford Escort wagon from Winnipeg for
$750 that runs like a top and gets 35 MPG or more. And
instead of $4.38 a gallon for diesel, I get gas for a bargin
price of $3.60 a gallon.

Yippee

[3bals]

But you still have to keep it running, oil, lube, tires and insurance. All that isn't free. Now you're paying all that for 2 vehicles. :confused:

I've done the math too.

Jody

[Sundance]

I hear you Jody......... But I drive a bunch with many personal
trips of 700 miles roundtrip.

My personal travel is at least 15,000 miles per year or more.

The truck used for that would be $4380 per year ($4.38 gal/15mpg)

The car is $1800 per year ($3.60gal/30mpg)

Thats $2580 less!! My insurance it only $180 per year. And every other
operating expense (tires, oil chgs, parts) is lots cheaper for the
little Escort.

Considering my purchase price, the car paid for itself in 4 months.

[3bals]

I understand. I drive 1400 miles a month just to work and back. Then another 8-10,000 a year traveling around. Last year I saved over $1500 on fuel by using a vegi oil blend, from May-Sept. That's why I'm anxious to get this motor thing resolved. I'm not set up to use it in the cold months, but now it's finally warming to the point that I can start using it again. I've been driving my spare vehicle. A 1992 Jeep Wrangler that gets about 14-15 mpg and isn't very comfortable to drive 70 miles one way to work.

At least I have a spare for times like this. Too bad it's not a high miler, like yours.

Jody

[Shlep]

You're driving a 99' truck........ why make payments??




Thats an easy question to answer, I got the truck brand new in summer of 2003, late build 99 that never sold so I got it new for $21,000 + taxes off a small town dealer :D

I guess the small car thing is just personal preference, I've had small cars and work on them day in and day out. Plain and simple I just don't like them on the highway.

[scottheimcustoms]

Hey,
shlep what mpg are you getting with that dually?
I have a 96 ext cab dually 4x4 & I don't think I'm getting over
13mpg, I have the following : ssd heat sink w/ # 9 resister, custom
air box,.
thinking of putting a 5" single stack w/ 5" strghts or 4 - 5" single system
w/ strghts,
what is better?
do I need to replace the down pipe, will all of that really help mpg/hp?



My buddy has something you might be interested in, a OEM set of runningboards to fit your truck brand new still in the packaging,
they are fiberglass and fit the whole length around the rear fenders and front to back.
He paid $1900.00 but will sell for $1000.00 and you pay the shipping which shouldnt be that much..If you want more info call 604-576-1068
Put on Walts 4 inch exhaust that is the most important upgrade of all...Garth

[Shlep]

I average about 16mpg city and about 18-19 highway with it, but that all depends on the mood I'm in :rolleyes:

As far as your exhaust, anything that will get out the fumes faster will always be better, my downpipe was twisted like someone tried to tie it in a knot.

[Sundance]

I agree on liking to drive the truck....... no arguement
here.

But........ Just can't afford the comfort. I just got back
tonight from a road trip that I got 34 MPG with driving
the old Escort. Fuel averaged $3.42 a gallon, Cost me
$70 in gas...... and even that hurt a bit. But it would
have cost me $196 in diesel.

If I had money coming out of my ....... of course I'd have
loved to take the dually. But I'd of had to stay home.

[Colorado Cowboy]

Has anyone tried this, or are currently using it? I believe it is www.dieselsecret.com

[Sundance]

Sure if you use clean NEW vegetable oil......... Used fry oils
should be process a bit to clean it up. Ideally transesterification
is the way to go.

Sounds like VoDoo to me. As fuel prices climb there will be
dozens of gimmicks out there to milk us of $$$$$$. Remember
the ol' taping magnets on the fuel line????

Did a bit of googling and here's the low down on this SCAM.

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/9741005301

http://www.newenergyreport.org/019346.html

[3bals]

I've been using the diesel secret formula for 2 years now. I had done quite a bit of reading about the process on several forums. What I found is that most of the people that have bad things to say about the product, the method or the company that sells it, haven't used it and are just guessing or speculating on the possible bad effects on what it could do to your engine or fuel delivery system. Some of the naysayers are biodiesel purists or those using heated SVO or WVO and don't think that there is any other way.

On the other forums, it's referred to as the DSE method or cold blending. Most of the people that have used it to start with have credited the DSE for getting them started down the alternative fuel road. Also most of the people that have started with DSE no longer use their product, but use a generic additive or nothing in it's place. I still use it as I want to use up my supply and probably will dicountinue it's use too. Although while the cost of the product is stated as expensive, the amount you add per batch only figures out to be a few cents per finished gallon. Last year, it was costing me 70 cents per finished gallon to produce. That included the RUG, K1, additives and filters. I havent made any yet this year as I have nothing to use it in yet. I'm sure it will be more given the price of RUG and K1, but still cheaper than pump diesel.

Also, you need to be somewhat mechanically minded and use DSE's instructions only as a guide to build a better filtering system than what they give you. In fact you really don't even need their instructions if you do your research on the web and read all the info out there written by people that use the cold blending method. The key to using cold blended vegi fuel, is to use the right oil and to get it clean before use.

The biggest problem I've had is the cold weather. There are products out there that can help you overcome the cold, but it's more money spent (if you do the math, isn't that bad) and alot more time spent installing these products. Heated fuel tanks, heated fuel pick up tubes, heated fuel lines and heated fuel filters.

So, as far as Diesel Secret, I like others, credit them to getting me started using WVO as fuel and as far as if it's being snake oil or voo doo, I couldn't tell you, I'm not a chemist. This is just my experience and thoughts.

And there maybe those of you wondering about why I need a new motor. It's from a cracked head cause by a corroded radiator, driving with a heavy load in the heat of summer in Utah. I don't think the type of fuel had anything to do with it.

Jody

[JD_countryboy]

Thank You for that insight. I want to start using WVO or sometype of nopump diesel. I have seen this advertised someplace before, but never really dove into it. I want minimal startup cost, and minimal time consumption. DSE sounds easy enough, and if it works would be great.

[torque454]

Paid 4.24 today when is it gonna stop!!

[Sundance]

The big secret 3bals seems to be where you get this brand new
"FREE" oil?????

I have no problem with the cold blending idea, it's been around for
decades.

Perhaps you can fill us in.......... Where do you get the FREE oil??
That isn't waste or used veggie oil.

Also their methods are far from safe as they claim. Mixing any
chemicals in a Walmart waste basket can get dangerous.

Soooooo divulge the free oil secret.....

[Sundance]

And sorry to say torque....... $4.24 is gonna seem like a bargin
in a year.

I just heard that $200 a barrel is predicted by some in 18 months
or less.

The up side to these prices is that it is forcing folks to use mass transit,
drive fuel efficient vehicles, and .......... walk more.

[grancito]

Do you think that NAFTA would allow me to bring tanker loads of low sulphur, not ULS diesel, bought at $2 per gallon here into the USA?

[Oldsmoke]

Would Mexico allow you to do that?

[grancito]

I think that Mexico would allow it, but Bush would not, he would find some reason, like it is not ULS diesel for a start. Have you thought about using home heating oil, don't know the price, I can find out how much 2 stroke oil to add if it is viable.

[3bals]

The big secret 3bals seems to be where you get this brand new
"FREE" oil?????

I have no problem with the cold blending idea, it's been around for
decades.

Perhaps you can fill us in.......... Where do you get the FREE oil??
That isn't waste or used veggie oil.

Also their methods are far from safe as they claim. Mixing any
chemicals in a Walmart waste basket can get dangerous.

Soooooo divulge the free oil secret.....

It's no secret. WVO is waste veg oil. I get it from small mom and pop restaurants, settle it, filter it, blend it and put it in the truck.

As far as mixing in a Walmart waste basket, I don't. Like I said their directions were only used as a guide. You need to mechanically inclined and inventive to build it better and safer. It's not rocket science. I also spent some time reading about other people that have been doing it.

Jody

[Sundance]

Thanks Jody.........

I wish they'd been more up front on it being used restaurant greasy.
As they sell more and more of this concept the supply will dry up
in a hurry.

Used restaurant oil is getting harder to get. And more and more you
will end up paying them for it.

I'm still a fan of methanol and lye procedure (transesterification) as the
final product is more stable in the cold, and I believe the process
makes for cleaner fuel..

[Oldsmoke]

I used heating oil in a farm tractor once when I converted my house over to electric heat. It didn't notice any difference but I only used one tankfull. How much cheaper is it?

[3bals]

It's all things that I have learned along the way over the last few years. I too have been a supporter of biodiesel for many years. But, to make it myself just seemed like alot more hassel with caustic chemicals and then what to do with the left over biproduct. Then there's the cost of the initial set up. I've found that buying biodiesel locally costs more than regular diesel, so that was out.

Also you are right, the FREE sources are getting harder to find. I've lost a few sources to the big renderers as they are paying for the used oil now rather than charging to pick it up. That's why I deal with the small opperators that I can get to know. :D

Jody

[3bals]

I used heating oil in a farm tractor once when I converted my house over to electric heat. It didn't notice any difference but I only used one tankfull. How much cheaper is it?


Heating oil, in theory should work as fuel, but maybe some additive would be needed to added for lubrication.

The big thing is around here the heating oil is dyed just like off road diesel. So, you wouldn't want to get caught with it in your tank.

Jody

[Sundance]

Jody.......... be careful the chemicals used in the DSE process
are not exactly safe. They use xylene's and dimethyl benzene.

The main byproduct of the method I've used is glycerin that is
used in making soap. Sodium hydroxide is used in very small
amounts and is easily neutralized with regular vinegar.

In short.......... be careful with either method.

[Sundance]

Jody....... I understand you have to dilute the DSE oil with
kerosene or gasoline???? Is that right??

[3bals]

Jody.......... be careful the chemicals used in the DSE process
are not exactly safe. They use xylene's and dimethyl benzene.

The main byproduct of the method I've used is glycerin that is
used in making soap. Sodium hydroxide is used in very small
amounts and is easily neutralized with regular vinegar.

In short.......... be careful with either method.


You're right one has to be careful with any chemicals. I use about 3 oz of their magic potion to 20 gallons of product, so it's pretty well diluted.

I'm aware of the soap, but I don't make soap or know anybody that does. I'm not sure one could sell the biproduct, being small amounts and or/uncertified quality to any company that does use it. But, maybe a guy could start up a side business making soap. We could call it "6.5 Turbo Diesel Soap" and Walt could market it. :D

[3bals]

Jody....... I understand you have to dilute the DSE oil with
kerosene or gasoline???? Is that right??

Yep. 20% K1 and 10% RUG +/- some

Jody

[JD_countryboy]

Ok, where do you get undyed, clear, kerosene? THe last 3 places i got my k1 from have it dyed red as off road use only. Friend of mine uses biodiesel, farm delivered for his house and tractors, and its dyed red. THe red dye is what they get you on when they dip your tank to see what kinda fuel your runnin.

[Sundance]

So.............. 30% of your fuel is kerosene and gas.........

Kerosene is $3.65 a gallon
Gas is $3.68 a gallon


So 10 gallons of the DSE would be at least $11 without the additives
or the time and cost of WVO

Where do they get the magic 46 cent a gallon number they throw
around routinely???? (TV ad today and web site)

I mean it's still way cheaper than dino, but I see red flags when a
company isn't up front. Why not say $1.50 a gallon which is the
reality?? Which makes it more expensive than transesterification.

[grancito]

If you want to take the color out of a liquid, run it through and activated charcoal filter, the charcoal can be reactivated by heating in an oven, the temperature needed depends on the destruction temp of the colorant.

[3bals]

I/we kind of hijacked this "diesel fuel prices" thread. I'm going to move our DSE/Biodiesel talk to the main forum under "alternative fuels". If that's OK? :o

Jody

[rspowell]

Here in Fort Jones, Ca. (Siskiyou County), we're currently dishing out $5.15 per gallon. It's sad because my Chevy & I used to enjoy the weekend get-aways, exploring the many off-roading areas of the Scott, Salmon, & Klamath Rivers here in Northern California. :)
However, now that the Chevy is parked, I'm taking advantage of making some much needed repairs, and doing some preventive maintenance.
As far as the price of Diesel ? I'm at a loss there, but I hope soon it'll become afforadable once again.:eek:


1995 K-2500 4x4, Automatic, VIN "S"

[Oldsmoke]

With our old fully depreciated trucks at least we can still afford fuel. Imagine if you were making payments on a new 08' cowboy cadillac. With the money I save on oil filters and payments I can buy a lot of fuel.

[Oldsmoke]

My neighbor here has a big new Duramax GM says he only averages around 12 MPG. I seem to average 18 to 20 MPG with my 6.5 and dare say I could pull any of the loads I've seen him with.

[ChevyCowboy]

well im happy to say that fuel prices are falling i just filled up for 4.19 and my buddy sent me a pic of a station he filled up at for 3.99
just thought i would see if it was falling every where

[grancito]

Hasn't fallen here, still paying $2.19 per gallon.

[JD_countryboy]

Paid $4.09 last friday. Still was $86.00 for the tank. But man is this truck fun to drive.

[Sundance]

....he filled up at for 3.99....

Me too at $3.99......... Isn't it just freakin nuts that we are
jumping for joy at this "bargain"?

Wow.............. And heating season is just around the corner.
I guess $3.99 will look like a bargain pretty soon.:mad:

[trukdoc]

...price on 10-25-08 in marble falls,texas is 3.06 usgal..where else? wally world...

[trukdoc]

...just back from marble...diesel is 2.93 usgal...

[RipnRun]

Lexington and Buena Vista, VA. - even though we are right off Interstate 81 yesterday's diesel was $3.49 per gallon. Regular unleaded was $1.10 less.