Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel

[JEEPRZ2003@YAHOO.COM]

Just Wundering What Affects The New Ulsd Will Have On My Engine. Any Suggestions?

[_Fox_]

From what I have heard it's hard on the seals in the IP as well as a few other things down the line. Keep a good additive in your fuel! It's worth the extra cost.

[6.5SmokeStack]

i have read some where that you can actually put 2 stroke oil in as the addictive to keep the lubircation in the cylinders

[3bals]

Yes, chevylover had some info on the 2 stoke oil additive. Check out some of his previous posts.

Jody

[Chevylover]

Yeah, that's right. here in germany 2-stroke oil is much cheaper than any other fuel additives. 2-stroke oil is made for burning in the engine - engine oil not ! ! ! I think the 2-stroke oil is the best thing you can add into diesel fuel to lubricate the pump and the injectors, because it is especially made to burn with fuel AND lubricate from the inseide the engine. Here the taxi drivers all drives diesel engines for years and they use it for years.

Cu,
Sven

[6.5SmokeStack]

now how much 2 stroke oil would i put in a 23 Gallon Diesel Tank?

[Chevylover]

now how much 2 stroke oil would i put in a 23 Gallon Diesel Tank?


I run between 0,5 - 0,75 liter per tank (26 gal.).
I seems to me as the engine runs smoother with the 2-stroke oil in the diesel fuel tank.

Cu,
Sven

[Nick Witek]

How much 2-cycle oil do you use for a 34 gallon tank? Can you get away w/the 2-cycle oil in the winter time? Also, woould putting in to much gum up anything?

[Chevylover]

How much 2-cycle oil do you use for a 34 gallon tank? Can you get away w/the 2-cycle oil in the winter time? Also, woould putting in to much gum up anything?

The amount should be between 0,75 liter and 1 liter(metric) or should be about 1 quart. No problem in winter because this oil is made to mix with fuel.
How much is too much ? If you put in a 34gal. tank about 5 quarts, that should do any problems. The only thing that could happen is that you are throwing blue clouds out of the exhaust, like burned engine oil. 2-stroke oil is an eginge oil that is made to burn, but if the amount gets to high, it will make blue cloud like normal engine oil.

Cu,
Sven

[dukecola]

I let my 81 Rabbit diesel sit for just 3 weeks and the new fuel eat thru the seals in no time. I never had to add any additives to this vehicle ever. I did hear that ATF is good at lubrication, what say the rest of you folks.

[Sundance]

Marvel Mystery Oil is only $9.50 a gallon at farm supply stores.

Here's a cut and paste from the company re: diesel fuel and
MMO


Thank you for your interest in Marvel Mystery Oil. In response to your question, Marvel provides similar benefits to diesel fuel as it does to gasoline. With today's lower sulfur content (and going lower) in diesel fuel, Marvel Mystery Oil provides replacement lubrication lost by the decrease in sulfur levels. In also seems to reduce hard carbon deposit build-up and help increase fuel economy. If we can be of any additional service, please let us know.

Sincerely,

Marvel Oil Company, Inc.
Richard P. Kelly
Technical Manager, Performance Products
rkelly@turtlewax.com

[graysta]

Marvel is my personal choice but definently something in increse ULSD lubricity b/c it has very little about the ounces to 22 gal

[bigde53]

got some marvel mystery oil today says mix 4 ounces to 10 gallons

[oldtrucker]

Duke, ATF will turn fuel,tank and filters red, and that is no no because off road fuel is dyed red and could cause u problems with the feds if u get checked.

[Craig]

Dukecola,

Regarding ATF as a fuel additive, I was speaking with a man with decades of experience with diesels and is quite knowledgeable with our GM diesel. He was recommending running the ATF in the context of a fuel additive every 3 tanks to clean the injectors. (1 qrt).

ATF has lubricating and cleaning properties, therefore it sounds logical that it would be a good fuel additive to compensate for the ULSF. I know someone that uses Marvel Mystery oil, as mentioned in an earlier thread, in his airplane as a fuel additive. (Lubricate the cylinder walls) The 2 stoke oil sounds real good too. One thing the ATF has going for it, $1 a qrt. I am very interested in others input regarding ATF as well.

[Engine65]

i use Stanadyne's performace formula. I figure if our (6.5l) fuel injection system is made by this company why not use there product in it. i buy it by the case and each bottle treats about 60-80 gallons i think. its cost about $4.50 us dollars a bottle. its great stuff. they also make other great formula's. check it out at www.stanadyne.com

[timlmiller]

well atf is good but like the other post said it will turn your fuel red but I
have never herd of a personal car or truck having there tank checked to see
what color the fuel is. now if you are in a tractor trailer they will dip your tanks to see if you are legal big fines. now the good thing with atf is it will lube up everthing and keep eveything clean because of all the detergants;)

[deerefanatic]

On the Stanadyne stuff, It's good as far as protecting the IP (I use it in my Mercedes too..) but I notice NO mpg increase by using it......

As far as ATF turning fuel red, the "color" test is just for easy roadside identification. Over on the Mercedes forums I'm on, they got into this very debate. A guy who's a trucker posted the fact that they can chemically test for the "dye" in a lab too, as they were talking about trying to find a way to chemically turn the "dye" clear.. He claims he's been written up with his truck 2 times for running ATF and they say "dyed fuel", but when he demands a lab test, it of course comes back clean......

[6.5countryboy]

i personally use lucas fuel additive. it cleans the injectors and is only about 9 or 10 dollars. it comes in a bottle that treats 100 gallons and you add 3oz. for every 10 gallons. it seems to work fine for me and i did notice a little better fuel milage.

[harold]

I use the Lucas additive also. Seems to work good. I am interested in adding the atf if it does that good of a job. I have a uncle who is Mr Goodwrench, as far as being a excellent mechanic. I will ask him.

[Husker 6.5]

I use the Lucas additive also. Seems to work good. I am interested in adding the atf if it does that good of a job. I have a uncle who is Mr Goodwrench, as far as being a excellent mechanic. I will ask him.

Howe's Anti-Gel also contains additives for enhanced lubricity, and a gallon, used as anti-gel in the winter, lasts about four tanks. I'm sure one could use less a a lubricity supplement alone.

Also consider using a Bio-diesel blend, becomming more and more widely available nation-wide in B-2 and B-5 blends, as Soy Biodiesel is inherently a lubricant, is approved by all the IP manufacturers, is good for the environment, tells OPEC to screw themselves, and helps the American Farmer!

Husker 6.5:D

[Bluevee33]

I use the Diesel Kleen Cetane Boost in my truck. The new stuff is the ULSD formula and I do know that it adds some power and fuel mileage! I don't know what it's doing lubrication wise, though. Does anyone else use this stuff?? They also have a white bottle that I use in the winter, it's more of an antigel formula! I use the all around grey bottle! I buy it at walmart for $15 a gallon and it treats 300 gallons!! What do you all think??

[ercaduceus]

I use the Diesel Kleen Cetane Boost in my truck. Does anyone else use this stuff?? What do you all think??


I used the Diesel Kleen stuff once without a problem. I usually use Stanadyne.

[xpingjockey]

I've just run a quart of ATF thru my 92 and it seems like it's running better. I'll have to pull the fuel filter and see if its changed colors.

'92 CK2500 4x4
6.5 TD
140K on all original parts

[Craig]

It makes sense that it would run better, especially if the injectors were dirty and net better mpg and power too.

I spoke to the person who advised me on using ATF to clean the injectors. He said to really open her up all the way through the gears to blow a lot through the injector. According to him, the main problem with injectors is carbon build up, which gives many of the problems you hear about, that are usually attributed to wear.

I asked about using it every tank to compensate for the ULSD. He suggested motor oil. It burns with no problem like the ATF, provides lubrication and raises cetane levels. (Use the cheapest oil on the shelf.)

[Chevylover]

I asked about using it every tank to compensate for the ULSD. He suggested motor oil. It burns with no problem like the ATF, provides lubrication and raises cetane levels. (Use the cheapest oil on the shelf.)


Motor oil is crap as a fuel additive ! It is blended with some additives to lube the engine and it is NOT made for burning. If you want to use oil that is the best, use 2-stroke-oil. THAT is made for burning, because such an engine doesn't has any motor oil. It is only lubed by the 2-stroke-oil which is added to the fuel !

Cu,
Sven

[timlmiller]

Well i use to use trany fluid in my tractor trailer until they started to die fuel it worked great as a lube and as a cleaner but it turns your fuel red. the 2 stroke oil sounds like it is a good idea

[Craig]

2-stroke seems like it would be an excellent additive as I agreed in an earlier post in this thread.

In a diesel engine, especially in a 6.5 with 21:1 compression, motor oil blended in diesel fuel will thoroughly combust. Providing lubrication and increased cetane level. (Cetane, the diesel equivalent to gasoline’s octane.)

Our 6.5’s with 21:1 compression is high compared to some other diesels that run on lower compression and higher boost. The 6.5 will respond nicely to higher cetane level and run quieter as well. Here in the US, diesel #2 has a cetane rating of like 42. Europe has cetane of like 52. One day we will have the higher 52. In the US, the bulk of diesel demand has been for off road equipment (Farming/construction) and machinery that uses #2. One day we will have the good stuff

Anyway, it is great to get everyone’s comments and experience with different and alternative fuel additives.

[Husker 6.5]

2-stroke seems like it would be an excellent additive as I agreed in an earlier post in this thread.

In a diesel engine, especially in a 6.5 with 21:1 compression, motor oil blended in diesel fuel will thoroughly combust. Providing lubrication and increased cetane level. (Cetane, the diesel equivalent to gasoline’s octane.)

Our 6.5’s with 21:1 compression is high compared to some other diesels that run on lower compression and higher boost. The 6.5 will respond nicely to higher cetane level and run quieter as well. Here in the US, diesel #2 has a cetane rating of like 42. Europe has cetane of like 52. One day we will have the higher 52. In the US, the bulk of diesel demand has been for off road equipment (Farming/construction) and machinery that uses #2. One day we will have the good stuff

Anyway, it is great to get everyone’s comments and experience with different and alternative fuel additives.


DON'T repeat DON'T put regular motor oil in your fuel!

Use ONLY 2-stroke oil as it is specially formulated to burn cleanly and leave no ash deposits behind when it burns.

Seen the sparkplugs from a gas-burner with bad valvestem seals or rings? All the ash deposits all over the plug, till it fouls out and the cylinder goes dead?
Well, in a 6.5 that ash accumulates on your glowplug tip, pre-combustion chamber walls, and the injection nozzle, where the deposits build up to the point that it interfers with the fuel spray pattern and causes poor atomization of the fuel and resultant rough idling, black smoking, and poor fuel economy.

Husker 6.5

[Craig]

Husker, great input about oil causing ash, you are right.

I have my engine apart and the injectors have a little ash build up from a bad CDR valve. I have heard of people running used motor oil mixed in there tank, using quarts or even gallons. I can only imagine it is as you describe or worse.

The industry person advised new oil for 2 tanks, and then on the 3rd tank run a quart of transmission fluid. I gather the sequence, including the ATF, everything will be spick and span.

Anyway, in the end I will probably just run some ATF every 3rd or 4th tank to clean her up and not worry about an additive. Unless I am in a HD situation and I might add a cetane booster. Do you know if 2 cycle oil boost cetane?

Respectfully,

Craig

[Husker 6.5]

Husker, great input about oil causing ash, you are right.

I have my engine apart and the injectors have a little ash build up from a bad CDR valve. I have heard of people running used motor oil mixed in there tank, using quarts or even gallons. I can only imagine it is as you describe or worse.

The industry person advised new oil for 2 tanks, and then on the 3rd tank run a quart of transmission fluid. I gather the sequence, including the ATF, everything will be spick and span.

Anyway, in the end I will probably just run some ATF every 3rd or 4th tank to clean her up and not worry about an additive. Unless I am in a HD situation and I might add a cetane booster. Do you know if 2 cycle oil boost cetane?

Respectfully,

Craig

It should. The biggest difference is in the formulation of the additive package and molecular structure of the base oil so that when it burns there is no residue (ash).

That said, when I was in JR. High and High School in the Seventies (I know what you're thinking, it's 1970's, you smart-asses) we had a SAAB stationwagon with the Monte Carlo 3 cylinder 750cc 2-stroke engine. My mom used to freak out gas station attendants by telling them to dump a quart of 30 weight into the gas tank when she filled up (1 qt to 10 gal = 40:1). They would look at her like she was nuts, and she would insist that they do it. It was even funnier watching them trying to find the dipstick to check the engine oil!!:D (there was none, it was a 2-stroke, but they never knew that, as most had never seen one).

Husker 6.5

[3bals]

I wonder if there is ash with the WVO blend I'm using. Hope not, because I really like the money it's saving.

Jody

[Husker 6.5]

I wonder if there is ash with the WVO blend I'm using. Hope not, because I really like the money it's saving.

Jody

Don't worry, Jody. WVO doesn't contain all the additives that motor oil does, and that is what's responsible for the vast majority of deposits when its burned.

Husker 6.5

[3bals]

On some of the other forums, people talk about injectors getting coked up from burning WVO/VO. Most say that this happens from burning WVO/VO that isn't heated properly. I've yet to see anybody that blends like I and others do, write into the forums with injector troubles. Hopfully all is fine, as I haven't had any difficulty yet. Except for some cold weather issues and a clogged filter or 2.

Jody

[sootjunkie65]

yeah ATF works good ive been running it for a while now and I even get some mileage increase with it as well as the lubrication I use a quart for every 34 gallons

[AGNSCODY]

Yes farm diesel is dyed red here in the USA. However, when I truck drove I was checked for the color of my diesel. However the DOT also have electrical meters that they can put up to your exhaust pipe and know if you are burning dyed fuel. Apperntly when it burns it emits a differnt fume that is detectable by the DOT. Louisana is the Only state that I saw that actually had tester in the air above the road about 2 miles before the weight station, If they detected Dye, They would open up and pull you over and check your fuel.

[grancito]

There was a post a long time ago that said the red in the ATF is not the same as the fuel dye so there is no problem.

[triplebr1]

i have used the Atf in a diesel, even my 6.5 i have used it, but i used it as an injector cleaner, the first time i used it was on a work truck powerjoke, that was running terrable and the boss was too cheap to get it fixed when the dealer told him it needed new injectors, so i ran a qaurt in the 15 or so gallon tank and nothing happened so the next tank i put in 2 and a half quarts and drove it hard and it never smoked at all but it did run better so i use it every once in a while to clean everything, i use 2 quarts in my 6.5 and it never makes it smoke any. on the worry about turning the fuel red i dont think one or 2 quarts would turn 34 gallons of fuel red enough to be conserned with. also my dad has been a mechanic for years and he tells me that they used to use Atf to put in the fuel filters to prime them when someone would run it out of fuel on the old diesels, any way i thought it was interesting so i thought i would pass it along.