Starter bolts with washers?

[SeaCapt97]

Hey guys - My starter bolts just keep loosening up. I've got the "bracket" installed and used new GM bolts torqued to 35 ft/lbs. Starter sounds fine. (no grind or metallic sound). The parts guy at Chevy said not to use lock washers. My mechanic buddy says all Ford (sorry to use bad langauge here) starters have them. Anybody tried them on a 6.5 before?

Thanks,
Bill

1995 Suburban

[trukdoc]

...are flanged bolts{bolt heads have a flat washer surface forged on}from factory and dont need washers...knurled shank of bolt is designed to stop bolt from backing out...also I use blue loktite...jd

[SeaCapt97]

Thanks Doc. I've had so much trouble with bolts I've been hesitant to use the loctite which would make broken bolts harder to get out. But I think I'll try it. Once my first bolts broke it's been a battle ever since. No problem 'til then.

Too bad. With the new block heater she's been starting like summer. Two new heads in January ($2500) new injector pump November ($1900) that's $4400 this year alone. Just found a 99 gasser exact same truck as my 95, even the color is the same for $4000! Might go look at it today. Truck is running great . . . just can't keep the starter in it. Yes bracket is connected and I count to 20 before any second attempt to start. Sorry about the rant. Trying to get myself psyched to crawl under the truck again at 14° here in Chicago.

[trukdoc]

...broken outside bolt twice...1st in marble falls{13mi south} pulled home on chain and drilled out...2nd time in San Saba{@ 90mi n/w $250 tow bill}drilled out for larger bolt and had to drill out starter hsg. to match...bolts seem to back out @l1/4" then break under load...1st time was a very cold day for here@30f{hey thats cold in central texas}loooong crank time... 2nd time I was working using crane and had started and moved rig a half a dozen times throughout the day...rigged down crane and was going for coffee hit key and oops call the hook...still got my coffee made wrecker stop on way out of town use the BLUE loktite only try the gell its in a tube and comes out semi-solid just a dot smeared on threads hope this helps jd

[oldyeller6.5]

been able to get the right size starter bolts on mine, i have broken them off twice cuz of my clutch being broken... i use lock washers on mine